Sally Field, now earning her tenth Emmy nomination, says she spent most of her career clawing for parts no one offered, and that the struggle only got harder as she got older.
Field sat down with The Hollywood Reporter for a wide-ranging interview timed to her nomination for the Netflix TV movie Remarkably Bright Creatures, based on Shelby Van Pelt's novel that has sold more than two million copies. The nomination makes Field the first actress in nearly a decade to earn an Emmy nod for a TV movie, and brings her total to ten nominations and three wins across a career that started in 1964.
What stands out in the conversation is not the award itself but the blunt picture Field paints of how Hollywood treats women, and how little that picture has changed in sixty years. The actress described a career built not on opportunity but on persistence, refusal, and a willingness to fight people who told her she did not belong.
Field traced her struggle back to her earliest attempt to break into feature films. She described auditioning for the 1976 film Stay Hungry, her first feature, and hearing director Bob Rafelson in a back room, yelling at casting director Dianne Crittenden for even allowing Field through the door.
"I could hear Bob Rafelson in the back room yelling at Dianne Crittenden, the casting director, for even letting me sit in the waiting room because I was wasting his time. I had to use that anger as my fuel."
Field had started in situation comedy television in 1964 and said the industry treated TV actors like property. "In those days, they didn't let you out," she said. "You lived and you died on that railroad track. You weren't getting out."
She fought equally hard for Sybil, which she called "a huge turning point." Both battles happened before the film roles that made her a household name, Norma Rae, Places in the Heart, Absence of Malice, Steel Magnolias, Forrest Gump.
Even after those successes, Field said the work never came easy.
"I never was an actor that was able to work back-to-back-to-back, doing one project after another. I just had to keep my head down, as they say."
Field pushed back on any notion that agents or managers did the heavy lifting. She said her team might occasionally surface a script, but the roles she cared about most, including Lincoln, she found and pursued herself.
"You don't get delivered things, and at least women don't and certainly not older women. You don't get a whole box of chocolate, so to speak, and say, 'Hmm, which one do I want today?' It just doesn't happen."
That line lands harder when you consider what Field was up against. She was not complaining about a lack of starring vehicles at the peak of her fame. She was describing the default condition for women in the industry at every stage, young, middle-aged, and older. The system did not change; she just kept outworking it.
Field offered a revealing account of how the 1993 comedy Mrs. Doubtfire came together. She and Robin Williams improvised constantly on set, and director Chris Columbus gave them room to do it. The film's most quoted scene, the restaurant confrontation where Field's character realizes the truth and says, "The whole time?", was not scripted.
"That was me improvising. That whole sequence, we shot it at the end of the film. It was several days in that restaurant. But that moment, that is an ad-lib because the line was [supposed to be] very calm. 'The whole time' was an improvisation."
Field said the improvisation gave the film something the script alone could not deliver. She and Williams shared a conviction that the mother should not be written as the villain of the divorce.
"We both felt that there were no villains in this divorce. Marriages don't always last. Sometimes there are no bad guys. It's time to move on. Without getting in the way of the comedy, it was a delicate dance to allow her to not be mean."
Field acknowledged that the studio expected the movie to do well, Williams was at what she called "the height of just... brilliance", but said no one predicted the scale of its success. The script on the page was not what audiences saw, she said, precisely because of the freedom Columbus granted his two leads.
By 2006, Field had built one of the most decorated film careers of her generation. She went back to television anyway, joining ABC's Brothers & Sisters for what became a five-year run. She said the decision was straightforward: the industry was changing, and the show offered a story worth telling.
Field played a mother with a gay son, portrayed by Matthew Rhys. The role carried personal weight. Field disclosed that she had a gay son of her own who "was just coming out or had just barely gotten his feet under him" at the time.
"I got to play a mother with a really great family and a great son who happened to be gay. And this was a very crucial time in our country when this was not done. I mean, Will & Grace had been done, but it was comedy and very broad."
Rhys is now nominated for two Emmy Awards in the current cycle. Field's reaction was brief and warm: "Good for him. He deserves it."
Field brought the same instinct to her latest project. She said she and co-star Lewis Pullman improvised throughout the production of Remarkably Bright Creatures, building their characters' relationship in real time on set.
"Lewis Pullman and I were improvising all the time. That relationship was really created out of he and I playing with each other. You can kind of see it in the movie."
Asked whether she would consider stepping into the role of Mary Todd Lincoln in the Broadway hit Oh, Mary!, a show she attended with Lincoln collaborators Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner before it reached Broadway, Field laughed and declined. She praised creator Cole Escola as "so dazzlingly talented" and called Maya Rudolph, who recently took on the role, "never not great."
"I can be in awe of it, but I can't do it," Field said.
Field summed up her approach to the craft in a line that doubles as career advice for anyone tired of playing it safe.
"Everything's a risk. Otherwise, forget it. If it's not a risk, then stay home. Easy is overrated."
Sixty years in, ten Emmy nominations deep, and still nobody hands Sally Field a box of chocolates. She keeps finding her own.